Noradrenergic antidepressants lecture

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The following is derived from a lecture I gave in March 2004  intended for the teaching of general practitioners.  This information is intended for education purposes by health professionals and should not be used as a substitute for any health professionals' individual advice and treatment.  Every patient needs to be treated as an individual and individual requirements may differ from general guidelines or principles like those suggested below. Disclosure: Honorarium received from Pfizer (distributor of Edronax) for lecture. 

Contents

What is an “adrenalin rush”?
Why should we want it?
What happens if we don’t have it (or: What causes depression)?
How do we restore it?
When to use noradrenergic antidepressants
Case files of my use of Edronax

 

What is an “adrenalin rush”?

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Adrenalin acts on organs …

Lungs: SOB, choking, parasthesia (increased resp. rate, increased blood O2)
Heart: Palps, chest pain, flushes (increased HR)
Muscles: Trembling, tension, sweating 
GIT: Dry mouth, butterflies, nausea, belching (increased blood flow to gut)
Brain: Dizziness, faintness, lightheadedness (increased blood flow to brain), catastrophic cognitions & fear (direct effect)

… to motivate to action

Why is action important?

Compare the following organisms:

  

 

Action is important ...

…to respond to Danger…

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…with Flight or Fight

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Meet the world’s most dangerous weapon… 

because...

A dangerous idea… 

can lead to...

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Transmission of a meme…

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…can lead to destructive action

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Why should we want it?

"Everyone who believes, as I do, that all the corporeal and mental organs … of all beings have been developed through natural selection, or the survival of the fittest, together with use or habit, will admit that these organs have been formed so that their possessors may compete successfully with other beings, and thus increase in number ..."

Charles Darwin, 1876

 

So, why should we want it?

"Now an animal may be led to pursue that course of action which is most beneficial to the species by suffering, such as pain, hunger, thirst, and fear; or by pleasure, as in eating and drinking, and in the propagation of the species, etc.; or by both means combined, as in the search for food. 

Pleasurable sensations … stimulate the whole system to increased action. 

Hence it has come to pass that most or all sentient beings have been developed in such a manner, through natural selection, that pleasurable sensations serve as their habitual guides. We see this in the pleasure from exertion, even occasionally from great exertion of the body or mind,--in the pleasure of our daily meals, and especially in the pleasure derived from sociability, and from loving our families. "


Charles Darwin, 1876

 

 

What happens if we don’t have it?

"But pain or suffering of any kind, if long continued, causes depression and lessens the power of action, yet is well adapted to make a creature guard itself against any great or sudden evil. 

If all the individuals of any species were habitually to suffer to an extreme degree, they would neglect to propagate their kind; "


Darwin Francis (ed), The Life & Letters of Charles Darwin, 1887. 
In Chapter 1.VIII
"The passages which here follow are extracts, somewhat abbreviated, from a part of the Autobiography, written in 1876..."


Metaphorically…

  In Park

What types of suffering cause depression?

Early life trauma enhances risk of stress related disorders: 

History of child abuse increases risk of MDD (& panic disorder, social phobia, GAD, PTSD & personality disorder)
Esp. pre-pubertal abuse
Loss of parent at early age
Lack of perceived parental warmth (neglect/maternal deprivation)

(Kendler, Nemeroff & others)

 

Later life traumas:

Loss of Attachment
Mate
Kin
Loss of rank
lowered self esteem
competition for resources 
loss of territorial ownership 
Loss of other reproductive resources that would have increased reproductive success
Health
Money
Reputation

(
Nesse, 1990)


Genetic susceptibility

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Neurobiological correlates

Functional abnormalities

Endocrine

[CRF]CSF
HPA dysfunction
Reduced function in certain neural circuits

Structural abnormalities

Hippocampal shrinkage
Associated with hypercortisolemia 
proportional to duration of depression exposure
Ventricular enlargement, sulcal prominence
MRI hyperintensities

(Sackeim, 2001)

 

Latest correlates

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How do we restore it?

Self Defence Weapons

Engagement
Psychoeducation
Supportive psychotherapy
Cognitive psychotherapy
Behavioural psychotherapy
Pharmacotherapy
SSRIs
SNRIs
a2 antagonist
5HT2a/5HT RI
TCAs 
dual 5HT/NA 
NA selective
MAOIs
selective NRIs
NDRI

 

Pharmacotherapy

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Are NA & 5HT antidepressants different?

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Monoamine specificity

Core symptoms of depression

Other serotonergic symptoms:

Obsessions
Compulsions
Panic
PTS
PMS
Social ph cognitions


Correlates of energy loss in depression

No. of days in bed
No. of days of lost work
Reduction in work productivity
Reduction in social functioning
Energy level correlates better with ultimate patient outcome than does depressed mood!
Must restore back to normal, not merely to avoid making worse

(Stahl, 2002)

Neurobiology of fatigue & loss of energy

Linked to deficiencies in neurotransmission of all 3 monoamines:
Dopamine (DA)
Serotonin (5HT)
Noradrenalin (NA)

However, fatigue strongly correlates with deficiencies in DA & NA

(Stahl, 2002)

How do antidepressants restore energy?

Long-term, any antidepressant can restore energy if it results in remission of all symptoms
Short-term, sedating agents may make you worse before they make you better
Short-term, enhancing 5HT neurotransmission may make you worse before it makes you better (5HT regulates both NA & DA by inhibiting their release)

Energising effects of SSRIs

Energising

Fluoxetine

Sertraline

Neutral

Citalopram

Paroxetine

Sedating
Fluvoxamine

 

Which antidepressants restore energy early?

Theoretically, the faster, more robust & long-lasting the enhancement of DA & NA transmission, the better for restoring energy
Accomplished by agents that block the reuptake pumps for NA or DA or both:

Reboxetine (Edronax)

Desipramine

Amitriptyline

Imipramine

Venlafaxine (Efexor-XR)

Buproprion (Zyban)

 

When to use NA antidepressants

…based on Demographics

Overall:
REBOX = FLUOX = IMI = DES
Depression subtype:
ECT, TCA, VFX, MIRT & REBOX in Melancholic
Age:
Youth: SSRI more effective, NRI more effective
Older Age: NRI more effective
Gender:
Young F: SSRI more tolerable, NRI more effective 
Post-menopausal F: NRI more tolerable
M: NRI more tolerable & more effective

(Hamilton, 1996; Kornstein, 2000)

When to use NA antidepressants …based on clinical profile of patient

Presence of fatigue, amotivation, lethargy
Failure of SSRI(s)
Incomplete remission on SSRI
Treatment resistance e.g. incomplete remission on VFX, MIRT, MAOI, TCA
Sig. pt sensitivity wrt risk of weight gain
Mono vs combination depends on history, profile & symptomatic response from other Rx

Reboxetine profile

Single-pathway antidepressant: inhibits NA reuptake
No effect on DA
Weak 5HT reuptake effect
Low affinity for adrenergic & histamine receptors
Some anticholinergic activity

Case Histories

Not for publication

 

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